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| | Topic: [Wittrs] Understanding the Homeostasis-Intentionality Connection (for Neil) |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: iro3isdx |
Tue, 31 August 2010 22:54 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote:
> responding to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/message/6250
> SWM:
> I was making the point that if you define consciousness as > needing intent... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Stuart on the unity of self |
Posted By: gabuddabout |
Mon, 30 August 2010 19:52 |
| Stuart> writes:
> Don't you see that to describe the world in terms of "physical chunks" is to be trapped in this very dualistic picture ("physical chunks" vs. something else)?
Or not.
>In fact, modern physics is not... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Stuart on the unity of self |
Posted By: SWMirsky |
Sun, 29 August 2010 21:13 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "BruceD" <blroadies@...> wrote:
> --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@> wrote: >
> > The point I was making, though, was that the unified field, in the &... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Stuart on the unity of self |
Posted By: blroadies |
Sun, 29 August 2010 16:12 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote:
> The point I was making, though, was that the unified field, in the case that represents dualism, is conceived as an irreducible, > the self or observer in the mi... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: SWMirsky |
Sun, 29 August 2010 10:31 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote: >
> Stuart writes:
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> "The older and more classical view of consciousness, of course, is that it is a unified awareness, an observer of, and a... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: SWMirsky |
Sat, 28 August 2010 22:02 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "iro3isdx" <xznwrjnk-evca@...> wrote:
> --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@> wrote: >
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> > responding to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/mess... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: SWMirsky |
Sat, 28 August 2010 21:48 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "BruceD" <blroadies@...> wrote: >
> Stuart:
> If you recall, its been years, I posted a Dennett review titled > "Explaining Consciousness Away." In related Post you suggested... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Consciousness |
Posted By: SWMirsky |
Sat, 28 August 2010 21:25 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "BruceD" <blroadies@...> wrote:
> --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@> wrote: >
> > ... it requires reconceptualizng what we call "consciousness&qu... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Start with the person, not his brain |
Posted By: blroadies |
Sat, 28 August 2010 20:36 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote:
> It's just that the explanation of the mental events is as a system feature of a brain.
Is exactly what makes no sense to me. Seems like two choices. One ... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: blroadies |
Sat, 28 August 2010 18:15 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote:
> Synchronic causation is the realizer, somehow, awaiting further work on correlating consciousness, say, with NCCs.
Forgive me, what are NCCs? Let's see i... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: gabuddabout |
Sat, 28 August 2010 16:46 |
| A very sensible post, Bruce. A comment or two below.
--- In WittrsAMR@yahoogroups.com, "BruceD" <wittrsamr@...> wrote: >
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> --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@> wrote: >
... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: gabuddabout |
Sat, 28 August 2010 16:24 |
| Stuart writes:
"The older and more classical view of consciousness, of course, is that it is a unified awareness, an observer of, and actor upon, events in its environment."
You can have consciousness as a unified field without that implyin... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Consciousness |
Posted By: iro3isdx |
Sat, 28 August 2010 16:18 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "BruceD" <blroadies@...> wrote:
> responding to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/message/6238
> Bruce:
> I'm having difficulty grasping the logic of this claim. Wouldn't > yo... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: iro3isdx |
Sat, 28 August 2010 16:07 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote:
> responding to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/message/6234
> SWM:
> But that is what is needed -- a definition of the terms. If you > only want... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Consciousness |
Posted By: blroadies |
Fri, 27 August 2010 20:08 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "iro3isdx" <xznwrjnk-evca@...> wrote:
> If you want to insist on an explanation of consciousness in terms of > the conventional conceptualization, then no such explanation is > possible.
... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism |
Posted By: blroadies |
Fri, 27 August 2010 19:40 |
| Stuart:
If you recall, its been years, I posted a Dennett review titled "Explaining Consciousness Away." In related Post you suggested that we were only a set of operations, brain events, no observer necessary to explain the operations. ... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Understanding Consciousness |
Posted By: blroadies |
Fri, 27 August 2010 19:21 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote:
> ... it requires reconceptualizng what we call "consciousness" as an array of operations of the type even computers are seen to be capable
> The older... More »» |
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| | Topic: [Wittrs] Re: Readings in Martian Math (2010.8.26) |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Readings in Martian Math (2010.8.26) |
Posted By: walto |
Wed, 01 September 2010 22:35 |
| --- In Wittrs@yahoogroups.com, kirby urner <wittrsamr@...> wrote: >
> Greetings W --
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> I liked Haack a lot. I heard some grumble her lecture at the > Schnitzer (our main theater on Broadway) was too simple > and eas... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Readings in Martian Math (2010.8.26) |
Posted By: kirby urner |
Sat, 28 August 2010 13:46 |
| [Wittrs] Re: [C] Readings in Martian Math (2010.8.26)
Hi, Kirby.
Thanks for that. Fun stuff. How did you like Haack? I'm a fan of her "foundherentism." She's very hard on Rorty in a number of her papers and books,
and particularly objects ... More »» |
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| | Topic: A Real Wittgenstein Compilation? |
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| A Real Wittgenstein Compilation? |
Posted By: RetroDeathRow |
Sun, 29 August 2010 16:40 |
| Well, I have spent some of my free time & money in the effort to spread the word of LW. Some people get paid $10/hour to talk about environmentalism, others to preach Obamacare, and even others Scientology. Well, I mentioned I was planning to set up ... More »» |
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| | Topic: [Wittrs] Re: Wittgenstein for Beginners... |
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| [Wittrs] Re: Wittgenstein for Beginners... |
Posted By: kirby urner |
Wed, 01 September 2010 22:23 |
| On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:30 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@gmail.com> wrote:
<< SNIP >>
> ..the LP camp got it wrong: LW wasn't saying ethics > and aesthetics are nonsense, if that means something > without value. It's... More »» |
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| [Wittrs] Wittgenstein for Beginners... |
Posted By: kirby urner |
Tue, 31 August 2010 17:30 |
| In part I'm inspired by Logicomix, an interesting
collaboration, with the team including a computer
scientist and an artist who illustrated Tintin cartoons, if I'm recalling correctly.[0]
Tintin was an important strip in my youth (although I don't thi... More »» |
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